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Just how much trouble is American democracy in? When we look to 2024, it’s easy to focus on the doomsday scenario: an election where legitimate results get thrown out. But our democracy has been eroding for years — and we’ve never been an equal democracy for everyone in the first place.
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Host Jane Coaston discusses the state of the U.S. democracy and whether Jan. 6 was a turning point with Masha Gessen, a staff writer at The New Yorker, and Corey Robin, a political scientist at Brooklyn College.
Mentioned in this episode:
“We Won’t Know the Exact Moment When Democracy Dies” by Masha Gessen
“By Declaring Victory, Donald Trump Is Attempting An Autocratic Breakthrough” with the interview with Bálint Magyar, by Masha Gessen
“The Anatomy of Post-Communist Regimes” by Bálint Magyar
“Trump and the Trapped Country” by Corey Robin
(A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website.)
Credit…Erin Schaff/The New York Times
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